Beneficial Spells

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  1. Timbo Slice

    Timbo Slice Active Member

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    Anyone else think that cunning should be removed as a beneficial spell.

    I cant think of one time I have said.. man there's my buddy , let me cunning him so he has an advantage.
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    Add discord to that list.
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    Bogugh Well-Known Member

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    Discord should be harmful, obviously.

    I think I'd prefer if buffs were considered neither harmful or beneficial. They should definitely be allowed for factions.
    As far as crim flags, there is a long list if you want to start down that rabbit hole: reveal/DH, e.field, wall of stone, peacemaking, pet releasing...

  4. Theodin

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    Cunning allows you to meditate significantly faster. When you have 20 mana and are group fighting every drop of mana helps.... if somebody is getting annoying you can throw a cunning on them and hit them with mind blast which will do almost flamestrike dmg when you weaken/clumsy and cunning most people who don't have balanced stats
    I don't think it's used very much but it can be
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    Despite how little I would use such a combination due to my epic lack of skillzors, I think that buffs and debuffs (not heals/cures) should be removed from the Faction casting restrictions for casting on enemies. This has been, as I understand it, a common practice in mage combat, to buff/unbuff targets specifically for better Mind Blast damage when possible, as Theo said.
  6. Timbo Slice

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    that was my point. you cant prep a faction char for mindblast .
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    wylwrk Well-Known Member

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    I'll agree to the removal of cunning as soon as feeblemind is removed.
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  8. Timbo Slice

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    no one said remove cunning. remove it from beneficial spells list
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    -1 Timbo's suggestions are bad.
    Joking.
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  10. Theodin

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    But it does benefit whoever its being casted on.. I'm confused, what's the beneficial spells list?
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  11. El Horno

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    The mechanic: You cant cast beneficial spells on an enemy factioner. Ex: You cannot heal your opponent factioner.

    The issue: Cunning is often used offensively to "prep" a player for MB. Under current mechanics this is impossible due to cunning being on the list of beneficial spells.

    Timbos solution: Remove cunning from the list of spells that cannot be cast on enemy factioners.


    And I have never seen cunning used beneficially to increase mana. If you cast cunning or bless on yourself in a fight, thats like yelling at the top of your lungs "MB ME"
  12. Timbo Slice

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    thanks elhorno, my thoughts exactly
  13. Theodin

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    The reason I'd say leave it how it is; if you're casting cunning on an enemy factioner you're allowing whoever you're fighting to drop one of you since you need to be precasted with an explo or gheal, or at least a mana drain, so if someone has time to prep people for mb spam the factioners letting them cast cunning are not being as aggressive as they should. That also works vice versa, if you're casting cunning on enemies wtf are you doing NOT precasted with a explo/gheal just asking for the enemy to drop you.. if they do drop you, you can't kill one or heal yourself because youre busy precasting a cunning so in my opinion the spell cancels itself in factions. No point using it offensively or defensively unless you got 10 mana and want to shave off a couple seconds meditating to 40 for a explo ebolt
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    Bless doesn't spread your stats, the difference remains the same.
    your comprehension of pvp is bad and you should feel bad
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    Getting someone prepped for mb involves more then the one spell kane. If I saw someone bless themselves I would do the standard weaken clumsy debuff and they would be left with a rather high int and rather low dex. Compare that scenario with someone who didn't bless themselves and I can assure you, mb will do more dmg to the guy who blessed himself. Anytime you want an explanation as to how mb dmg is calculated you can pm me. Thanks, come again.
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    I don't think you're feeling bad, as directed.
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    that is typically how factions go yes. But have you never 1v1d in factions?
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    100% of enemies will simple chug pots if you debuff, you just wasted your mana, next
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  19. Kane

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    Maybe you guys should spend less time raging at people in the duel pit and more time in the field. Perhaps also you could try spending more time trying to adjust to mechanics than beg for the mechanics to adjust to you. No one that actually fields is even caring about this issue
  20. Timbo Slice

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    kane, it is true that ppl would just chug pots, im simply talking about a mechanic that i dont think works properly .

    ive been practicing on my tank mage , here soon we will do some field 1v1s since you hate the duel pit so much.

    edited to say, im def. not raging - just conversing about something that i do not believe is right.

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